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  • couldn't Mary remain loyal to Matthew ?

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    • What do you mean by "loyal?" Matthew died three years ago, I believe. And while some love one person for a lifetime, others find new life for themselves after losing a partner.

      So, I wish I understood what you meant about Mary's loyalty to Matthew, . . .

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    • When someone is widowed, they aren't expected to stay single forever.

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    • Oh my goodness, she's not a nun for crying out loud! Let the poor girl find a new love. She doesn't have to forget her time with Matthew, and I'm sure he wouldn't want her to play the grieving widow her whole life.

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    • Of course she can, like Tom with Sybil. And it will be the best and not only "forget Matthew and find someone else" like the main plot in Series 4 and 5. There so many plots that JF could use with Mary and not only the suitors.

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    • the series would suck if all the characters actually behaved like people did in real life back then... it would be very likely back then for Mary to never remarry but what a boring series if all of them never had new love interests.

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    • I know what you mean.  I haven't liked much how Mary grieved and then seemed to kick over the traces in contrast to Tom who mourned Sybil almost reverently.

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    • Whilst you wipe the rabid Matthew fan-girl foam from your chins, do try to put yourselves in Mary's position; her husband died and it's terribly sad, but a young woman should not have to spend the rest of her life in Queen Victoria-esque, celibate mourning. 

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    • You have to remember that they also lived in a very different world then. Widows and widowers with young children were expected to remarry. Tom was kind of a rare case in that time.

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    • I don't think she should have stayed 'loyal', but if she had we may have been spared her ghastly suitor storylines.

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    • I think she must be 'loyal' beacause Matthew was the right, she loved him mutch more then you can love enyone. Then she coud't leave him it's not right

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    • Tom is hardly showing the signs of remaining a reverent widower forever. He did have sex with Edna, he was definitely interested in the ghastly Miss Bunting and the last episode suggested very strongly that he will end up marrying Edith's nice editor.

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    • That would definitely have been better than what actually happened. Tbh, I can't really accept her with anyone who's not Matthew, but had we been given a new love interest, who was an interesting 3-dimensional character too, I wouldn't have minded her moving on. But Talbot? ugghhhh..

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    • I totally agree with 122.177.95.83

      It's not that she had to be a widow for the rest of her life but everything was so rushed in the Christmas Special. It's like Talbot showed up 5 minutes ago, his uncle had already prepared the documents, let's get married! I'm interested in you... oh wait, I'm not or... I'm hesitating... no I'm sure. It's not right. Leave Downton! Who's there? Oh Talbot! I have sweaty hands... okay let's get married! Rush-rush! Like the rest of the CS: let's find new couples. So unrealistic. A relation with Tony Gillingham woud've been more acceptable since the two knew each other since their childhood and not after two episodes!

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    • Yea that Xmas episode where she agreed to marry Henry Talbot was much too rushed, especially compared to the slow pace of the courtship. I couldn't see the attraction to him at all. Bring back Tony Gillingham! Or even Charles Blake. He was quite charming.

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    • Charles Blake was the best of the lot. Like Matthew, he had a foot in the traditional role and the modern world. Not quite middle class, but he had a real job. Talbot was basically nice looking and had enough family money to not need a real job. Blake had Mary's measure and liked her anyway, much as Matthew did. Tony may not have been as smart as Mary, but he was no dope and gave her good advice. His issue was he was much too conventional, so a bit dull. Blake was neither. Talbot? No, didn't see it. Talbot was handsome and I suppose sexy, but he and Mary had less chemistry than Mary and the long-suffering Evelyn. Mary had chemistry with Tony, but her chemistry with Blake was off the charts. And he was fun and made her laugh at herself--he made her her best self, like Matthew did.

      It was a lazy ending. Mary should have ended the series single, leaving room for the return of Charles in possible movie. Now all a movie can give us is the death of the dowager and marriage of Tom. The series should have ended with Edith triumphant and Mary growing a bit of compassion.

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